A Proposition From Pirates.

[Evillor LeGaude]

I say we give this, 'Sea-Dog', a chance and speak with someone above the position of a commoner and bias opinion of religion.

Didnt we do that already though?

He already talked down to one Lord.

[Spaw Kindred]

I say we give this, 'Sea-Dog', a chance and speak with someone above the position of a commoner and bias opinions of religion.

All I've seen is responses from Bishops, a Chamberlain, and an Exchequer.

[Evillor LeGaude]

All I've seen is responses from Bishops, a Chamberlain, and an Exchequer.

I wasnt considering the church aspect. I was more going based on the rank they hold overall, and not their church affiliation.

Theodric is a member of the Ducal Cabinet, so i take that above his calling in the church. Should we disregard his words based on his Holy duties?

I do feel that he had a fair amount of lords or equivalent respond to him. Church member or not, he still got the attention of some of the ruling bodies of Wessex.

[Chrono Veincrusher]

Dogs or not. This still applies:

All visitors hailing in an official context from another guild or clan on a diplomatic mission must be responded to only by a herald, clerk, or any Cabinet Officer. The dialogue that ensues, whether in character or out of character, shall be limited only to those participants who are appointed government officials of Wessex, and are thus likely to be in the room to receive the visitors.

[Haeso LeGaude]

Dogs or not. This still applies:

I wasn't aware we were even considering an alliance with Mahirim. If it was from any Human/elf/dwarf we would have left it be, pretty sure most people see this as a joke for many reasons.

[Hyu Garona]

I wasn't aware we were even considering an alliance with Mahirim. If it was from any Human/elf/dwarf we would have left it be, pretty sure most people see this as a joke for many reasons.

Go and read the first post. Does it look like a joke to you?

[Haeso LeGaude]

Go and read the first post. Does it look like a joke to you?

I wasn't aware we were human/mirdain/elf/mahirim, in all seriousness though - pretty sure myself and nearly everyone else who replied sees this as a joke, or at least laughable. Maybe he was serious, but wessex taking it seriously? I don't presume to speak for us or anyone but myself for that matter, and I apologize if I overstepped myself here but I certainly do find it laughable that any Mahirim would come here looking for an alliance considering it would literally be spitting in the face of the lore behind wessex and the feudal system in general. They're considered truly inferior races hardly worth discussing with much less an alliance, not just second class citizens like elves and dwarves but scum of the earth.

Like I said, sorry if I'm mistaken, in which case I won't bring it up again. But that is certainly the way I viewed this.

[Hyu Garona]

Perhaps I just have another view on the because I'm not a Wessexian and henceforth I don't have the same roleplay values. I see their offer as plausible and I respect them to have the guts to come to Wessex and offer such a thing. However, I agree on Einar's decision that a mutual truce is a good offer - and the best to be offered.

Even though I admire their guts, it still is a fact that it would be difficult to have an ally of an enemy race simply because noticing each other as allies on a battlefield or a vast sea doesn't come granted, there could be misinterpretations. :/

Also, I don't value hostilities between races if I'm given a reason to not value them, and this is a good example on how to gain small trust from someone.

[Barden Jusik]

I wasn't aware we were human/mirdain/elf/mahirim, in all seriousness though - pretty sure myself and nearly everyone else who replied sees this as a joke, or at least laughable. Maybe he was serious, but wessex taking it seriously? I don't presume to speak for us or anyone but myself for that matter, and I apologize if I overstepped myself here but I certainly do find it laughable that any Mahirim would come here looking for an alliance considering it would literally be spitting in the face of the lore behind wessex and the feudal system in general. They're considered truly inferior races hardly worth discussing with much less an alliance, not just second class citizens like elves and dwarves but scum of the earth.

Can I refer you to this thread: http://lumensolis.com/showthread.php?t=778

which was very serious. And Just because we are not accepting Mahirim into our clan I can't understand why the possibility of an alliance is unacceptable. People need to learn not to share their opions so freely and understand that they represent Wessex. let a Herald of someone appointed to the task handle these diplomatic issues.

And where do you get off calling dwarves and elves second class citizens?

[Evillor LeGaude]

Can I refer you to this thread: http://lumensolis.com/showthread.php?t=778

which was very serious. And Just because we are not accepting Mahirim into our clan I can't understand why the possibility of an alliance is unacceptable. People need to learn not to share their opions so freely and understand that they represent Wessex. let a Herald of someone appointed to the task handle these diplomatic issues.

And where do you get off calling dwarves and elves second class citizens?

In that thread, there are regular members (Colonus) discussing the matter and giving their opinions freely. I fail to see the difference. Maybe such matters should not be discussed in a public place if the public cannot comment.

(OOC: maybe we should consider having a sub forum for these matters. As posting them alongside introduction threads for new members doesnt seem right to me.)