Assize: Nathero Aristo vs Agasutin LeGaude

[Amras Blackwing]

Forgot to add:

Also, if Agasutin also attacked Nathero, didn't he break law #2 as well? Or only when I attack someone attacking me? Or just because he killed his mount he does not break law #2? Please explain.

[Zehtuka Fireglore]

Nothing against Zehtuka or nothing, but it seems you have a completely different story than everyone else. I think we all know that Agasutin killed his horse. Since you missed that vital part, might it have been that you missed Nathero hitting my drake first aswell? If you were infact busy selling stuff to the general store.

My mistake, As I said before I was busy at the general store and I didn't pay any attention at all to the fight,
All this drama happened quite a while ago, why not put an end to this?

[Ardwan Ashcroft]

If thats the stance, then him and amras had no right to attack each other. Under the law, they shouldnt be fighting within the city limits anyways.

Seeing as other people who werent called are passing judgment/opinion (like you ardwan), i feel i am allowed to state more facts. If my words are not welcome, and should be deleted, everyone who is not called giving opinions should be deleted also. I am going to state the LAW in these matters.

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I agree with pretty much all of that. With the addition that these laws need to be actively enforced. It seems to be everytime I turn around in the city someone is randomly hitting someone else.
I don't believe limiting sparring to just behind the keep is enough, it needs to be removed from LM entirely.

[Evillor LeGaude]

As have you done to me. But this is not the time nor place for that discussion.

Forgot to add:

Also, if Agasutin also attacked Nathero, didn't he break law #2 as well? Or only when I attack someone attacking me? Or just because he killed his mount he does not break law #2? Please explain.

I challenge you to provide proof of that, i have MANY witnesses (including Rivers and Dulath) of times your attacking me mining in town and grind groups with MM as your running past. If you would like to lodge a complaint against me, feel free, thats the beauty of this system. I havnt lodged a complaint against you, due to the fact your a garrison member under me, and i chose to try to educate you than punish you.

On topic

If Agasutin attacked Nathero in defense of another guild mate, then no. If Nathero was griefing others, and Agasutin put an end to it, no. It is the job of EVERY person to uphold the law. If a member of the guild sees griefing, it is their duty to put an end to it.

Putting this in a timeline:

Amras/Nathero are fighting in town (illegaly) > Agasutin sees this and asumes Nathero is griefing as no duel was announced (Amras also testified Nathero was griefing) > Agasutin kills Nathero's horse.

Due to Amras/Nathero's ignorance of the law, one of them lost a mount. No matter what happens in these proceedings, both have admitted to breaking the law (Amras has admitted this in both cases), and should be dealt with accordingly. The only thing left to decide is:

Did Agasutin act out of the defense of a guild mate? Or did he Vindictively single out Nathero and kill his mount without cause.

The law is intended to stop people fighting in town. I know english isnt your first language Amras, but you do understand this, and still you do it. DO NOT FIGHT IN TOWN. Fighting without declaring what your doing to the rest of the clan causes incidents like this. I hope these recent assizes with you named are lesson enough to you.

[Amras Blackwing]

Did Agasutin act out of the defense of a guild mate? Or did he Vindictively single out Nathero and kill his mount without cause.

Well, I acted in defense of myself, Agasutin in the defense of a clanmember. Why did I break a law and not him?

[Evillor LeGaude]

Well, I acted in defense of myself, Agasutin in the defense of a clanmember. Why did I break a law and not him?

If you can prove that you were acting in self defense, you have done nothing wrong. Problem is in your other assize you admit to hitting linelor in town messing around, and you are known for doing so. You definately broke the law in the other assize, and thisone is still to be determined who hit first.

If you can prove he hit first and you defended yourself, you did nothing wrong IMO, problem is, neither of you can prove who hit first it seems, as witness' wont confirm your stories.

Edit, With a reread of the entire thread:

i was just kidding and i know i shouldnt have done it anyway and i aren't gonna do it again.

The plaintiff Clearly knew what he was doing was wrong. He broke the law, and suffered loss' due to his actions. Those are his own words. What more needs to be said really?

[Erwin Carius]

Very well, I believe the court has heard enough to be able to pass judgement.

Jury, please go ahead and PM me your verdicts. (We'll be doing a vote, so post what your opinion is in the form of either "guilty" or "not guilty".)

[Erwin Carius]

I'm not getting replies from a jury member, so I'm calling in Athrin Whiteblaze of the ducal garrison as a replacement.

[Athrin Whiteblaze]

I will make my decision as quickly as I can.

[Erwin Carius]

The jury vote is a tie, so the final word on the verdict will be on me. Thusly...

Agasutin LeGaude is found guilty on all charges, and sentenced to replace the mount which was killed.

Furthermore,

Amras Blackwing is found guilty of breaking Wessex common law, Offenses Punishable by Fine and Public Humiliation, Article 1, and is sentenced to pay 300 gold in fine.

Nathero Aristo should, seeing as the situation was not urgent, have requested Amras Blackwing to stop before he initiated counter attacks, and is thus also found guilty of violating Wessex common law, Offenses Punishable by Fine and Public Humiliation, Article 1; and is sentenced to pay 200 gold in fine.

All payments of fines and all items to be reimbursed should given either to a Reeve of the exchequer, a Royal Sheriff or a Royal Praefectus. The lost mount or an equal sum of money (350 gold) can freely be claimed from any Wessex officer with vault access.

The time limit for payment is five days.