Assize: Nathero Aristo vs Agasutin LeGaude

[Nathero Aristo]

Well first this is not about who attacked somebody's mount it is about the killing part.
Agasutin you had no right to kill my mount even if i had killed anyones mount which i didn't, when i had killed amras his mount then i was the one that was defensing here and im not. So what you did was wrong i know i attacked to much and i regret that but you don't seem to regret killing my mount. Its just wrong if you kill a guildies mount even if he killed another it is a rule and it is the law so think about what you say because you can't kill anything that is part of the guild.

[Nathero Aristo]

I call Takli Bravebronze as witness in this session.

[Takli Bravebronze]

Alright,

I'll just state the facts I've seen, the judging is up to the sheriff.

At the moment I entered the city i saw some guys screwing around on their mounts.

This was near the general store, and saw that it was Nathero Aristo and Amras1 Blackwing.

I don't know who hit who. But when Agasutin saw it he went after Nathero, chased him mounted upto the clan vault and didn't stop hitting the horse, until it eventually died.

This is what I've seen happen

[Agasutin LeGaude]

Well first this is not about who attacked somebody's mount it is about the killing part.
Agasutin you had no right to kill my mount even if i had killed anyones mount which i didn't, when i had killed amras his mount then i was the one that was defensing here and im not. So what you did was wrong i know i attacked to much and i regret that but you don't seem to regret killing my mount. Its just wrong if you kill a guildies mount even if he killed another it is a rule and it is the law so think about what you say because you can't kill anything that is part of the guild.

So after reading this, you say you killed Amras and his mount?

You also state you knew it was wrong to attack him repeatedly to dangerous levels, yet you did it anyway?

And that it's wrong for someone to get even, after damage has been done?

I believe you knowingly griefed Amras, and now your trying to hide behind the court, and get some sort of revenge against me for settling the score. I think you might want to coach your new witness on what to say cause your last witness didn't aid you at all. Even while outside Mercia, Nathero Aristo continues his attempts to grief.

[Takli Bravebronze]

Agasutin, as i've said in my post, I'm just stating facts I've seen, and there's only 1 person in charge of judging it, which is the sheriff and not you, I know you would like to defend yourself. But you shouldn't be doing that by concluding i'm not aiding him with what i've seen.

Nathero asked me to come tell here what I've seen, that's what i did.

[Ardwan Ashcroft]

So after reading this, you say you killed Amras and his mount?

You also state you knew it was wrong to attack him repeatedly to dangerous levels, yet you did it anyway?

And that it's wrong for someone to get even, after damage has been done?

I believe you knowingly griefed Amras, and now your trying to hide behind the court, and get some sort of revenge against me for settling the score. I think you might want to coach your new witness on what to say cause your last witness didn't aid you at all. Even while outside Mercia, Nathero Aristo continues his attempts to grief.

His English is clearly not fantastic, but common sense can see what he is saying.
Him and Amras were dicking around fighting, doesn't matter who started it. Then you join in and chase him away, but rather than leaving it at that, you continued and killed his mount.

The only score to settle is the fact that he lost a mount, and nobody else did.
You had no right to attack him at all, but knowingly going so far as to intentionally kill his mount is completely out of order.

[Amras Blackwing]

His English is clearly not fantastic, but common sense can see what he is saying.
Him and Amras were dicking around fighting, doesn't matter who started it. Then you join in and chase him away, but rather than leaving it at that, you continued and killed his mount.

The only score to settle is the fact that he lost a mount, and nobody else did.
You had no right to attack him at all, but knowingly going so far as to intentionally kill his mount is completely out of order.

From what I understood, and saw. He left me with my mount at 20% HP left, running off. Then starting to attack other mounts, at that point Agasutin takes the law into his own hands and attacks and kills Nathero's mount. Both sides are guilty, well that's what I think.

[Devan Omega]

Sorry to post in this trial but i may ask to put my information about the incodent as i was in the party at the general store when all this happen and was in vent when the messing around happened.

I'll gladly share my information if called apon. if i am out of line please accept my humble apologies and i will leave this trail.

[Evillor LeGaude]

You had no right to attack him at all, but knowingly going so far as to intentionally kill his mount is completely out of order.

If thats the stance, then him and amras had no right to attack each other. Under the law, they shouldnt be fighting within the city limits anyways.

Seeing as other people who werent called are passing judgment/opinion (like you ardwan), i feel i am allowed to state more facts. If my words are not welcome, and should be deleted, everyone who is not called giving opinions should be deleted also. I am going to state the LAW in these matters.

Under Royal Decree

3. Fights between individuals must be prefaced by a challenge to spar or a challenge to duel. A challenge to spar means it is expected that the combatants shall stop short of death or else be revived. A challenge to duel means that death, ganking and looting is understood and there are no hard feelings. Duels to the death must be performed with a herald or other notary of the court in attendance for the sake of fairness, and to earn the sanction of the court, who will record the verdict and prevent future vengeance.

4. Sparring matches and duels must be held behind the keep, out of sight of the general common area and the beam of the clanstone.


As there was no challenge offered by Amras or Natherio, Their attacking each other broke law 2:

2. Randomly hitting passers with weapon swings or mana missiles, and being seen to do so more than three times, will earn a fine of 50 gold, on account of annoyance. Repeat offenses will result in higher fines. A random attack which is met with a request to stop, but which continues, means that the receiver may attack back, kill, and loot without consequence. If someone attacks back out of self defense and you are forced to kill them due to a fight you started without discussion, see #6.

Agasutin saw combat, there was no challenge issued and respoded to defend members of the guild. Maybe he should have disengaged when the attacker fleed, maybe he shouldnt. Either way, Amras and Natherio are guilty of breaking law 2 (amras is guilty multiple times, he is named in both asssize's for doing it, and he has also done this to me and numerous others).

In his own words, natherio never asked agasutin to stop, because he was on vent and didnt use ingame chat. That is not Agasutins fault. He saw someone 'griefing' members of the guild and responded to that threat. With Amras' last statement, Nathero left his mount at 20% health, then ran off to attack other mounts. If you dont know how long it takes to regenerate a mounts health, take my word for it, this is griefing.

These laws were set to stop things like this from happening. There was a problem with it in beta, hence the creation of the law. No matter what any witness can say now, Agasutins actions are up for interpretation. He saw someone attacking mounts in the guild city, without any formal challenge declared, clearly breaking the law. He then responded to make sure guild members didnt lose anything due to the lawbreaker. Doesnt matter if you were not intending to kill mounts Nathero, Agasutin couldnt possible have known this.

Under this interpretation, Agasutin was defending the Laws of the kingdom. Before anyone says thats not his job, its EVERYONES job. I wouldnt stand by and let someone kill guild mounts. With this much reasonable doubt surrounding his actions, i dont see how he can be found guilty. The only person who lost something because of these actions, is the person who broke the law initially by fighting with Amras Blackwing in town. All the witness' Nathero has call cannot substanciate that he was attacked first, like he claims they can.

[Amras Blackwing]

(amras is guilty multiple times, he is named in both asssize's for doing it, and he has also done this to me and numerous others).

As have you done to me. But this is not the time nor place for that discussion.